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As you may have surmised from the title of this particular blog, my dear friends, there is currently no love lost between me and anyone in the roofing profession. Nay. In fact,I think it's safe to say that I hate every last one of the mother******s.

As some of you may know we've had a nightmare of a summer dealing with our roof. To be specific the contractor, Skip's General Contracting, owner one Mr. Skip Kubiak, completely effed up our house in June when they tore off the old shingles on the day we had record rainfalls here in Wisconsin and then, to the utter disbelief of anyone containing more than one brain cell, neglected to tarp the roof as the pitch black rainclouds thundered in! Even though I myself, our tenant, our neighbor and good ole Skip all separately at different moments, told his knucklehead crew the major storm was coming and they should tarp it up and hightail it outta there!

They did not.

Yes, this is old news. You read about the massive damages to our home that totaled $22,000.00 dollars in damages and 8 weeks dealing with repair crews and the insurance agents. Yep, that's the old news.

So, here's the update and why my previous loathing of roofers has now turned to utter hatred.

Skip Kubiak's crew did eventually "finish" the roof )Note the quote marks around the word finish. This'll come into play again later). Yep, they shingled it all up and got the Hell out of our lives, right? Sure. And we paid them--had to to get the insurance money--and they slithered away.

Couple days later it rains again and we get dripping water on the third floor.

We call good ole Skip Kubiak again and tell him. He sends crew back to fix. Crew caulks around dormer on third story and says, "Ees all good, now, mang. We feex." And they slither off.

Couple days later it rains. Yep, you guessed it, we got dripping water on third floor where they just "feexed" the leak. I call good ole Skip Kubiak again. He says he'll send back the crew to feex. I say, "Um, at this point would it be okay for me to ask for a different crew? This crew hasn't exactly done what I'd call a bang-up job...y'know? And, if it's not too much to ask could you send a crew I can actually communicate with?" He says yes, he will now send a different crew.

New crew arrives a few days later. They speak english, which is good, and go up and fix my dormer. They explain how they found one gaping hole one guy could fit his whole hand in! They're aghast at how the prior crew could've missed this. I am too. Who wouldn't be, right? So, they fill it in and we're all good! Whew! "At last!" we say! A gaping hole up there. That must have been where the water was coming in. But now it's filled in and we can finally get some peace. And the crew that's doing the interior fixes is nearing the end so our nightmare will soon be all over. Oh thank God...Thank god.

Couple days later it rains again. Yep, you guessed it, we get dripping on the third floor. Yep, same exact spot.

At this point in time we've got painters now working on the exterior of our home. You see, the whole "getting the roof redone" and "painting up the exterior afterwards" were all part of our big masterplan to fix up the house so we could sell it!!!! Good plan, eh? Yeah, right!

So, anyway, the exterior painting crew is out there and they've got a guy up on the rooftop painting our dormers and I ask the chief if he can have the guy look at our dormers and see if he can find anywhere the rain might be coming in. He says, sure, and that the guy's his brother and that he's a ROOFER! He's just helping out with this paint job. SWEET! The guy's a roofer so he'll know what to look for, I think. He comes down a few minutes later and tells me there's a lot of bad things going on up there. He tells us, now get this!, that Skip Kubiak's crew NEVER FINISHED THE JOB!!! That's right. Never finished the job.

What do you mean? We ask. He informs us that the top of our roof which is flat and supposed to have been newly "rubberized" was, in fact, NOT. Apparently they did half of the flat portion and then, y'know, just kind of stopped. Yep, what the hell...why not? Already caused this poor family all kinds of hell so, heck, why would we do our best to salvage any kind off pride and/or respect in our work and/or ourselves and just finish the job we were paid to do? Yeah. So the guy says give him a camera and he'll take pictures for us. Yeah, we look at the pictures. Yeah, unfinished roof.

Now keep in mind this is 8 weeks since Skip Kubiak's (am I using his name enough so you'll all remember?) crew supposedly finished the roof. And also keep in mind this is the top of a 3 story roof. It's not like I could climb up there and check that they ever finished. I was also in a cast on my foot so I couldn't even if I had wanted to.

So, I call good ole Skip Kubiak again. He cuts me off before I can say anything saying that he's done and it's in the insurance company's hands and it's not his fault and so on and so on. He finally needs to take a breath and I inform him that his crew never finished the job. This stops him in his tracks. What do you mean, he asks. I tell him of this new information I have just found out about the rubberizing. He says, "So now you're telling me that they never finished rubberizing the roof?" I tell him that that is what I am telling him, yes. He tells me he'll be to our house Monday morning as he is currently out of state. This was a Thursday.

On Wednesday the following week he arrives. He calls me from outside and tells me he's checking to see what he'll need in materials to finish the job and finish it this week.

Days pass and no Skip.

I call him the following week.

Days pass, no Skip.

I call him again.

Days...You know the drill.

It has now been months and, yep, I've had enough. I call the local news channels--you know, they all have their investigative reporters who go after losers like Skip. Within minutes of calling "4OnYourSide", one of the local news stations, they call me back saying that Skip told them "Stop bothering me! I'm talking with my insurance company and we're going to get it fixed!" and then hangs up on them.

Later that day I get a call from one Levi Nolte of Lake Park Builders. He says that he's a friend of Skip's and that he'll be taking over the job for Skip. Okay, I say. Levi tells me that he'll be over the following day to assess and then that weekend, if it's alright with us, he'll finish the job. Is it alright with us? What the F**K?! I very politely and appreciatively thank him and tell him "Yes" please do it as soon as he can and whichever day he gets the chance. No need to call us the day before and ask. Just do it as soon as he gets a window in his schedule.

He tells me he'll do it on that Saturday, 7 am.

Saturday. No Levi Nolte. I call him. He tells me that Skip didn't pay him what he said he would yet so he's not coming. I choke back the anger and disgust and politely ask him how much we're talking about. He tells me it'll cost $400 for materials and another $300 for labor. THAT'S IT?!! now Skip's being a jerk for $700??? I plead with him to get over here as soon as he can and just do this. I tell him that I WILL PAY HIM IF SKIP DOES NOT. He tells me he'll try Skip again and get back to me asap.

Meanwhile, I call my dear old friend from high school, TJ Daley, who owns his own construction company and fill him in. He knows about our troubles we've been having but not the full extent. So i fill him in. I ask if he could do the job. He says, yes, in fact he has an opening in his schedule the upcoming week. I tell him that I will gladly pay him what it requires, I just want my roof fixed and by someone I trust. He comes over to assess the job and I tell him about this new guy, Levi Nolte. He tells me if that doesn't work out give him a call back and he'll do the job.

Alright, now we're finally feeling better about all of this. We have two guys lined up. Surely one or the other will come through. Sure it'll cost me another $700 but at this point we don't care. We just want our roof fixed.

So a couple days later Levi Nolte comes back with the materials. But it's too wet up top to finish. Yeah, it rained again. Yeah, more leaks! Yeah, that was plural...leaks. We got a new one in the meantime near another dormer. Yeah.

So, TJ calls and leaves a message. Asks me what's up? I'm expecting Levi that day so I don't call TJ right back. Levi never shows. Next day I call TJ and tell him, "F**K Levi, F**K Skip. I've got materials, I'll pay you to do the job. Come on over as soon as you can. Thanks, call me back."

No calls back. No Skip, no Levi, no TJ. But 4OnYourSide has been checking in with me. At least I got that going for me. I update them and they say they'll apply more pressure on Skip. Cool! At least they're bugging the shit out of the bastard. Small victories at this point but I'll take it dammit. And it felt good.

Meanwhile Levi writes me an email telling me how he regrets ever bumping into Skip and feeling sorry for him and how he's a total a-hole and he loathes Skip and Skip's now putting this all on him and wants to pay him with materials he doesn't even need instead of cash because Skip's now totally broke. BUT he's a man of his word and he's going to finish our roof because he told us he would!

I write him back agreeing that Skip is, in fact, an a-hole, yes, I completely agree. I also thank him for being a man of his word and reiterate that I will pay him the $300.00 for his labor.

He writes back apologizing for venting and says he'll be over this weekend.

Never shows. Meantime I put in another call to TJ. Never calls back.

I call the Better Business Bureau on Skip and file a complaint. Now they're after him. It pleases me. Little victories.

That weekend, Sunday, we're out running some errands. We get back around noon and there's a message from Levi. he said he could come over that day and finish the roof. He just called about an hour ago! I call him right back! he says he'll be over soon. YES!!! At last! I tell Sandy. Phone rings seconds later. I'm doing something and can't pick it up. I know...I just know...I listen to the voice mail. Levi. Can't make it. Guy who was supposed to help him made other plans. But he'll be over sometime that week as the weather's supposed to be nice all week. This is the end of October now. Time's running out weather-wise.

Week was nice. Very nice. Sunny and warm. Levi Nolte never shows. The following week I blast him in an email telling him that he's just like Skip. A liar and a thief and that because he's now strung me along for 5 WEEKS and the weather's turning I'm totally screwed. I ask him how guys like him can sleep at night. I then say that I'm sure that guys like him and Skip sleep just fine. Haven't heard back.

4OnYourSide called me last Thursday. They're going to ramp it up on good ole Skip Kubiak again.

Roof still leaks when it rains. Winter's coming. Looks like I'll have to start calling roofers in Spring.

Oh yeah, I forgot! I called on other guy, Gunther something, somewhere in the thick of the Levi/TJ time and he said he'd come over and take a look. He never showed. And I offered the painter who took pictures for me money to finish the job and he was very pleased by my offer and said he'd do it and he also never showed. I'm missing alot of the details but I think you all get the gist, right?

So, am I right? Is the title of this blog right? Do roofers all go to the same @$$hole school? And I won't even get into the way these guys look! I won't descend to their level. Oh hell, yes I will, they deserve it! Of the oh, say, 14-18 roofers we came across in these past 6 months I'd say they had 26 teeth total, all brown. Five knew what a haircut was. 3 ever met a stick of deodorant. 1 had a clean shirt.




brad weber's Gravatar I'm with you, Rich. Roofers suck. Siding guys, too for that matter.

Major run-in with National Restoration Services (NRS) --- a scumbag squad out of the Maryland who set themselves up in Chicago after a really bad hail storm. They gave me a five year guarantee but folded their tents after a 18-months.

These clowns were so bad that at one point I told the foreman if I ever saw him back on my property, I'd have him arrested for trespassing and vandalism.

So, yeah, deep sympathies with you on this one.

Any chance the 4OnYourSide team can put you in touch with a *cough* reliable roofer? If the newsies not only reported the problem but were able to report someone in the viewing area fixed it, those guys would look like heroes and get a ton of business. Incentives all around.

I'll hang up and listen for my answer.
# Posted By brad weber | 11/16/08 11:03 PM
Guest's Gravatar Some Genius you are, seems your not so smart afterall, self proclaimed genius is a sign of a Sociopathic behaviour.
# Posted By Guest | 12/21/08 5:04 PM
joe's Gravatar WOW!!!! What a bad deal. I have heard about some bad roofers. See there handy work all the time.This is by far the worst deal i have ever heard of. What state are you in ? Wondering because there are a some guys around giving roofers a bad name around here sure,but a small portion on a comparison. Sounds like where ever you are there's no lack of dipshits. I have been in the roofing buisness for 18 years.and there is plenty of trustworthy , clean ,reliable ,dependable ,roofers with good work ethics. The problem is knowing the diference before hand . that's the tuff part. And some bad apples. You'r opinion of roofers in you;r erea sounds warranted but i am sure there is a good one in the bunch. Not all roofers suck. but sounds like most in you'r erea do.
# Posted By joe | 3/21/09 11:42 PM
Ed's Gravatar I just stumbled upon this rant about your disastrous roofing experience and understand your angst.

But, since I have not read any previous articles about your experience, may I ask how it came to be that you chose this horrible bunch of inadequate nincompoops to be entrusted with protecting your entire home with their services for putting on a new roofing system?

I assist quite a few homeowners online as well as in my own professional dealings with my customers, so if you would like to find which forums I am on via the internet, please just Google, "Ed The Roofer" and you will find them easily.

I am sure that many many other home owners would be interested in your experiences too. One particular web forum I suggest to post at, is,

I hope that your problems have been taken care of by now.


# Posted By Ed | 7/25/09 10:10 PM
nightengaile's Gravatar I hired a roofer the first week of June.Not having repair work done on my house before, I gave the roofer most of my insurance money for materials and labor.He had the roofs torn off my house and garage and decided to walk off the job.I had to get the city inspector and the police involved to get him back over here.I now have major water damage on my ceilings and at least one wall.A police officer called him and told him if he didn't get over to my place and put my roofs on, that I would file criminal and civil charges against him.The guy even returned the shingles and kept all the money.He even cheated Lowes out of about $1500.00.He is supposed to pay for having the water damaged ceilings and wall fixed.I don't know how that is going to work out, but I have a feeling that I'll have to file charges.
# Posted By nightengaile | 7/28/09 11:30 AM
Ed's Gravatar After I posted my question, I did go back into your archives and read everything you went through.

Contractors are supposed to carry General Liability Insurance.

Did you check to see if he was insured when you hired him?

If you did or can now, you need to file a claim against HIS insurance company. You can also file the claim with your home owners insurance provider and then they will Subrogate the damages against that CON-tractors Insurance Company, but then you will have a mark against you and your homes C.L.U.E. Report.

I wish you well in your pursuits and don't hesitate to ask me any additional questions if you like.

Ed The Roofer
# Posted By Ed | 7/28/09 12:03 PM
Chako's Gravatar I can find no lower form of life than roofers. I called no less than 17 different ones. Only a handful showed up, of those only a few gave me a price. I told anyone who gave me any price to do the the job and none of them ever showed up to do it. Finally I did it my self after waiting 6 months and fighting leaks.

Naturally a couple days after I finished one of the morons called me up and said he was gonna start that job soon but he would need the money in cash up front first. Right! I would rather throw money in a fire place.

My neighbor hired some yahoo who did eventually show up but took 2 weeks to install new shingles over the old ones on an 1800 sq ft. house. This guy spent all day sitting in his truck talking on his cell phone smoking cigarettes and actually worked about an hour and a half each day. Wish I could get a job like that.

By the way gutter companies are a close second!
# Posted By Chako | 5/11/10 11:06 AM
J.R. Stewart's Gravatar Looks like you didnt check the roofer's credentials and research the company, or ask for references. I'm a roofing sales associate and i think its funny how you made fun of your contractor of choice's accent and Quality craftsmanship.Considering that you did sign a contract with an obviously questionable company,I bet you went with the lowest bidding contractor who also offered to pay your deductible for skip an open can for him to slither out of,all the while supporting illegal immigrants and taking money out of the pocket of a hard working american buiseness man who would have stuck by you.You get what you pay for sir.Ever bought a pair of cheap sunglasses and they break soon afterward?? Im an american citizen, and a 25 year old with three children.I am also the backbone of my company.Im a roofer.Suck our @$$E$ d1(k-w@d.
# Posted By J.R. Stewart | 10/12/11 12:52 AM
joe bonn's Gravatar My roofing job summery:

Owner - idiot and a liar

roofing crew - smelly, non english speaking - but polite

one leak that poors water into a bathroom exhaust fan,
12 phone calls to the owner, 6 conversations with hardly english speaking foreman, 3 missed appointments to do the repair, three threats from me, 3 more conversations with owner, two unanswered messages to owner and another threat from me and a partridge in a f!cking pear tree! There's always next week. oh, did I mention that all roofers suck?
# Posted By joe bonn | 11/21/11 2:33 PM
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